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Our Galactic Family: Graham Dewyea with Stephen Bassett, March 5, 2012

Graham Dewyea recently interviewed Stephen Bassett of Paradigm Research Group on Our Galactic Family. I have never heard Stephen reflect on his own personal history before and found it quite informative. 
I had actually assumed that Stephen had intimate knowledge of the galactics but evidently he does not. I’ve corrected the places where Stephen called Graham “Dwayne.”
Stephen discusses the second Disclosure petition. However we heard Suzy Ward earlier say that President Obama had been asked by the galactics not to disclose until the cabal had been rounded up and placed under arrest.
“If you saw Matthew’s last message, you know that Obama is totally aware of the presence of ETs. He can’t announce this because of the ‘power bloc,’ but it’s also ET advice to wait a bit longer so those on the planet can continue to dismantle the Illuminati anonymously.” (Suzy Ward to Steve Beckow, Nov. 8, 2011.)
If true, that certainly does complicate matters. Thanks to Ellen for her tireless work transcribing.

Our Galactic Family: Graham Dewyea with Stephen Bassett, March 5, 2012

Our Galactic Family: Graham Dewyea with Stephen Basset, March 5, 2012
Graham Dewyea: Hello, and good evening. Welcome to Our Galactic Family. I’m Graham Dewyea.
Our guest tonight is Stephen Bassett, Executive Director of the Paradigm Research Group. Steve is an exopolitical activist, and a leading advocate for ending the 65-year government-imposed truth embargo regarding an ET presence. His work has been extensively covered by national and international media. He has spoken to audiences all over the world about the implications of formal Disclosure and the ET presence.
Welcome, Steve, it’s great to have you.
Stephen Bassett: It’s good to be with you, Graham.
GD: Yeah. White House Disclosure petition number two is up. And it’s titled Disclosure Petition Two, the Rockefeller Initiative. There were 5,000 signatures as of this morning; 25,000 are needed by – I think it’s March 24th, right?
SB: Yes, 25,000 by March the 24th.
GD: And what’s the difference between this petition and the first one you put up?
SB: Well, I’m going to assume, Graham, that a lot of your audience is not familiar with either of the Disclosure petitions. Would that be a fair statement?
GD: That might be a good start. Yeah. Let’s go with that.
SB: Yeah. Let’s quickly – I want to quickly frame this for your audience. The White House instituted a petition process back in September, September 22nd. It’s a good concept, it’s a good idea. It was an attempt to engage the public, hear what they have to say and actually respond to them. This is a formal project, it’s not a casual thing.
Since September 22nd we believe somewhere between ten and twenty thousand petitions have been submitted to the We, the People project at the Under the rules, you have to get 150 signatures before they will actually post it publicly. We think around 400 to 45o got that many signatures and were posted on the internet. I’m sorry, posted on the White House website.
Now, of those about 75 actually got enough signatures to trigger a formal response from the White House. Of those 75, one of them was Disclosure Petition One, which was submitted on the very first day, the third petition on September 22nd. So that gives you a kind of a sense of what’s happening here.
Furthermore, people that are signing these petitions are doing it from anywhere in the world. It’s not limited to US citizens. Anyone with an email address can sign and make their interest known to the White House to the Obama administration.
In order to do that, you go to any one of the petitions, you click on it, it will ask you to create an account if you haven’t already done so. People create an account by putting in a first and last name and an email address. They get an email back from the White House saying, you know, click on this verification link. This is typical, this is very common in creating accounts on the web. And they also provide a password which you can then use to log back in and sign the petition that you were looking at as well as any of the other petitions that are up at that time.
It’s fairly straightforward. Occasionally it gets a little glitchy. It’s a big project, millions of signatures, bit obviously several million people have signed petitions over the last five months.
So, that’s the essence of it. why is this potentially important for us, and particularly, I think, of interest to your audience given the name of your show, is that this presented a golden opportunity to take this issue to a place that might trigger by media engagement of size, one like we’ve never seen before. My job was to recognize that as an activist in this field for the last 16 years.
So, PRG put up a Disclosure petition on September 22nd. The home base for this petition in the whole process is Any of your listeners are invited to pull that website up as they listen. I think they might find that helpful.
GD: And we also have that on the blogtalkradio site as well for this show, for our listeners, as well, so they can click right on that.
SB: Yes, indeed. Yes, indeed. So, this petition that was put up – and this whole process, which has been going on since September 22nd, is not unplanned. This is a very orchestrated, coordinated effort to accomplish a specific goal. Now, the first petition that went up read as follows: – you’re allowed only 120 characters for the title and 800 characters for the body text. So you don’t have a lot of space. It has to be used widely. But this is what has been up on the website of the White House actually now for five months. It reads as follows:
We petition the Obama Administration to formally acknowledge an extraterrestrial presence engaging the human race – disclosure.
And that’s what Disclosure is, a formal acknowledgement of that presence, of that existence. It’s not any more than that, just that. And then it’s restated in more – in full:
We, the undersigned, strongly urge the President of the United States to formally acknowledge an extraterrestrial presence engaging the human race and immediately release into the public domain all files all files from all agencies and military services relevant to this phenomenon.
This is the core issue. This is the heart of the advocacy truth movement that’s underway now worldwide. And now it’s been stated and put directly before the President. And then there was this paragraph of explanation:
Hundreds of military and government agency witnesses have come forward with testimony confirming this extraterrestrial presence. Opinion polls now indicate that more than 50 percent of the American people believe there is an extraterrestrial presence, and more than 80 percent believe the government is not telling the truth about this phenomenon. The people have a right to know. The people can handle the truth.
And then there’s two links to supporting information. Those numbers, by the way, translate to approximately 150 million adult Americans believe that this UFO phenomenon is extraterrestrial, and approximately 240 million adult Americans believe that the government is not telling the truth about it.
GD: And the first petition got a fair amount of media attention.
SB: Oh, yes, indeed. First of all, it got – it needed 5,000 signatures to trigger a White House response. It had those I four days, four or five days.
GD: And you got twelve, right? Twelve thousand?
SB: Eventually it got 12,000. And then the response came from the White House on November 4th of 2011, which was the purpose of the petition. Some people got confused and thought, well, we’re going to petition this thing, the White House, and they’re going to see all these 12,000 signatures and they’re going to disclose the ET presence. No, no, they’re not, and that wasn’t the purpose. The purpose was to get a response. And that came on November 4th.
Now, I happen to believe this is an historical document of sorts. But, of course, that’s me. I’m a little biased. Time will tell. But it was brief, to the point, and very hard line. It was written by a staffer from the Office of Science and Technology Police, which is the science office for the President. It’s directed by Science Adviser Dr. John Holder, a physicist. This response was written by a staffer. That staffer did not spend weeks and months studying this field, he simply wrote what he was told to write. And here’s just a couple of key points.
The title is Searching for ET, But No Evidence Yet.
“Thank you for signing a petition asking the Obama Administration to acknowledge an extraterrestrial presence here on Earth. The US Government has no evidence that any life exists outside our planet, or that an extraterrestrial presence has contacted or engaged any member of the human race. In addition…”
GD: And you were looking for that? Oh, excuse me. Go ahead.
SB: This – this is fine, and believe me, this is more than I could have hoped for. And then:
“In addition, there is no credible information to suggest that any evidence is being hidden from the public’s eye.”
Now, Graham, I think you probably have already figured out that a significant portion of your audience instantly understands that this paragraph is completely false.
GD: Sure.
SB: And they know it, in many cases from direct personal experience. It then goes on to say, well, but we – you know, in fact, let me just read a little bit:
“However, that doesn’t mean the subject of life outside our planet isn’t being discussed or explored. In fact, there are a number of projects working toward the goal of understanding if life can or does exist off Earth. Here are a few examples…”
And of course it mentions Seti. Then it finishes up with a couple of brief paragraphs, and that’s it.
So, what’s happened here? Well, there are a number of things that are very notable about this response from the White House. And I should mention that this response, and the petition which is attached to it, and the 12,000 signatures which are attached to the petition, have been up on the White House for over five months. And they will continue to be up until this project is ended by the Obama Administration.
This is not any website. It’s not my website, it’s not from [a secure?] UFO site off in the hinterlands of the World Wide Web, this is the website of the most powerful nation in the world, which is visited by millions of people a month, from all walks of life – journalists, foreign journalists, foreign officials, members of Congress, members of the military intelligence community, American citizens, foreign citizens. And if they go there, it’s not that hard to find this. And you can be sure that a whole lot of people have seen this.
So, that’s one thing that’s very notable. Secondly, as I mentioned before, that key response is false. Thirdly, and this is even more important, it is indefensibly false. And that’s not a distinction without a difference. It’s possible to say something that is false, but still be able to defend the statement. However, it’s also possible to say something that’s false you really can’t defend if you are challenged, and that’s what we have here.
There is no member of the White House staff – science, military, political – that could go before cameras, stand up against any of the top researchers or activists and defend that statement. They would be buried – by the facts, by the evidence, by the knowledge base that we now possess. So that’s notable, right?
GD: Sure.
SB: And what that means is, and this is the most notable aspect of what’s happened here on November 4th of last year, some people will be surprised by this, but this is the first time the White House, the Executive Branch of the US Government, has ever put a formal position in writing on this issue. It’s never happened in the 65 years of the global phenomena, all that has taken place, and all of the reports and books and studies and everything else, they’ve never done that.
They didn’t want to, and they couldn’t. Because they knew if they did take a position it would be a stationary target, that they would have to stand and defend. And of course they didn’t want to do that. They have dodged, weaved, ducked, covered, avoided any kind of real direct action for as long as possible. Whitewash studies were done, the Blue Book was the most, the best known. They then set that stalking horse up, but then closed it down, said it’s all over. And then the only thing you could really get from the government after that, since 1969, which is 43 years, is a short note from the Air Force that we no longer study the UFOs, and whatever it is, we no longer study. It doesn’t pose a threat – which is hardly the position of the Executive Branch. That was it.
And the press went along – and they got away with it because the press went along with it. This is the nature of the truth embargo, and the understandings that are in place. Fine. So, good strategy, until November the 4th, when the Obama Administration put their position in writing, and now we have it.
What does that mean? It means we go after that position, we go after that statement and we break it. If we break it, we break the truth embargo, and that is the end of this 65-year charade that’s been undertaken for various reasons, including national security.
GD: And the second position set you up to challenge that?
SB: It was intended that then the next petition would then challenge the statement and do much more than that. In other words, we’re using the very program the White House created to end the government’s position on this issue. Which the White House did not create, the current one, it is simply sustaining – to be fair.
Now, how is it going to do that? Well, first and foremost, it now adds another petition on the White House website that people are seeing all over the world. That’s one thing. Two: this petition is carefully designed to draw the media into the issue at the federal level, at the high-end political level. Thirdly, it’s designed to draw media attention to the key issue as well, to bring the media in and be aware of the issue, and also raise awareness worldwide.
All well and good. Right? But how? I mean, what’s the connection here? You just can’t throw anything up there and expect that the media’s going to jump all over it. You have got to give them a legitimate, mainstream reason to engage this story, particularly at the level of high politics. To be fair, since 1991, the media has increasingly covered the issue, and in the last few years thousands and thousands of articles have been written, English language, worldwide. In fact, many of those thousands are actually archived at You can go read them.
And the vast majority of these article…actually, the overwhelming majority of these articles are straight reportage, covering every aspect of the issue and what’s going on and what have you. There’s a very small number of what we’ll call ridicule hit pieces, but they’re not common.
However, but reportage that actually addresses the issue, and high politics, the exopolitics, the policy of the truth embargo – no, that’s still off limits. And people say, well, no, nothing is off limits. Oh, yes. There are a lot of things that are off limits. Probably one of the most famous examples of this is Jack Kennedy’s sex life. It was off limits. It just wasn’t engaged by the press. I can assure you that there were reporters and editors all over Washington, D.C. that knew Jack had mistresses all over the place. But it just wasn’t done. Well, fine.
We could argue that either way. But the fact is, is the presence of extraterrestrials engaging the human race for at least the last six and a half decades, if not the last six and a half thousand years is several thousand times more important than Jack Kennedy’s sex life. This is a different matter altogether. So –
GD: Well, we have…we have –
SB: Um-hmm?
GD: If I may, we have listeners that are certainly understanding of the issue. They’ve followed it for many, many years. And then we have people that are just starting to become more conscious and aware about the ET presence and the significance of the ET presence. And I know you want to get on to Disclosure II, the nuts and bolts of it. But I’d love to hear, from your perspective – and I think it would be helpful for our listeners to hear from you – what is the value of Disclosure? What is the value of recognizing the ET presence and the fact that they’ve been communicating with our world governments for many years? Once Disclosure happens, then what?
SB: This is a huge question. I’ve said many times that by the end of this century countless thousands of books are going to be written about that exact subject. I like to use the analogy of the Civil War in America. It was a five-year historical event, very emotional, very dramatic. It changed the course of the United States substantially. And the last I read, there was about 50,000 books that have been written about it. That number will be surpassed substantially regarding the Disclosure event, its aftermath, and of course the history leading up to it.
So that’s tens upon tens of thousands of books. So how does one answer that question? It’s – it’s – all you can do is put out a couple of pointers that people might follow, as they read and consider this. I mean, this is something that needs to be read and considered. This is not casual. This is not something that people could be said, oh, what do you think about…some event that just happened, right? Somebody, some bomb blew up in Afghanistan. What do you think about that? Well, you give it a quick response. This is not like that at all.
There are not many examples in history that are strongly similar that you can point to. The closest that I use, the closest one I use is of course the suppression of the Copernican revolution, and the Copernican revolution, by the Catholic Church – in the west. This is primarily a western phenomenon. And what you had is a paradigm change in cosmology in which it became possible for certain scientists to understand that we have a solar-centered immediate – a universe, we are – the Earth is going around that Sun; there are other planets going around that Sun, they have moons going around them, which is pretty dramatic. And it challenged the religious cosmology of the time.
The Church decided that was a risk to Church pre-eminence, and they moved to block it. They moved to suppress it. And they were able to generally keep it contained for about a hundred years. They killed a lot of people, excommunicated a lot of people, and significantly suppressed the advancement of certainly astronomy and cosmology for a very long time.
One could have asked, back then, what does it matter whether we know the real nature of the solar system? What does it matter if you think the Earth goes around the Sun or the Sun goes around the Earth? Who cares? The irony, of course, is that if you understand physics you know that the Earth and the Sun both go around each other. But let’s don’t go there! But there is an irony there, which I kind of love! Both were right, in other words.
But essentially what you had is you had a massive authority institution stepping in and making up science to serve its institutional agenda. And, by and large not much good comes when that happens. It just doesn’t generate anything good. The science finally advanced, eventually the Catholic Church apologized for this – all well and good. And that is the closest analogy I have.
I think the one thing I can say about it is the effort to contain it was of course hopeless, from the beginning. There’s simply no way that any institution, no matter how big it thinks it is, can actually misrepresent reality with huge, millions upon hundreds if not billions of people trying to understand and study reality, that they’re somehow going to mesmerize all these people and efforts so that they actually get it wrong. But they tried anyway.
Well, for different reasons, much different reasons, the United States Government and its allies, cold – World War Two allies, which obviously were on top of the geopolitical pyramid, after the destruction and collapse of the axis powers, made a national security decision, in the late forties and early fifties, that the reality of this non-human engagement, non-human intelligence engagement of the human race had to be contained, by whatever means necessary. And the reasons were pretty much strictly national securities, and by that I mean the national security of the US, Britain, and any other nations that participated.
The reasons were not without merit, as I’ve said many times. They faced an extraordinary, unprecedented set of circumstances in the late 1940s. I don’t think any ruling group have ever faced something like that before. And we all know what happened. We all know that, as is always the case, the one war simply sets the stage for the next war. That’s why we’ve been having wars since the flood, about 11,000 to 12,000 thousand years. That’s what humans do.
And they do it more grandly with the passage of time. The weapons get bigger, the armies get bigger, the destruction grows until even the environment becomes a victim of warfare. This is what we’ve been doing for 12,000 years. Call it the old paradigm…modality of modern civilization, I say civilizations, after the flood.
So, in 1947, what they were staring at was a new enemy of the West that was entrenched, that was already working on nuclear weapons, both fission and fusion, that had made it quite clear that it was in ideological opposition. There were huge amounts of distrust between these two ideological worlds, the East and the West, and the stage was set for World War Three.
General Patton wanted to launch World War Three right away. Right? MacArthur was inclined to go that way as well. LeMay wanted to nuke everybody! So, what they realized is the next war could be right around the corner, and it was going to be nuclear. And at that time, I know they knew it could be bad, but I doubt even in ’47, 1950, they had no idea how bad it would get.
And so in the middle of all that, they have possibly another – it may not have been the first – crashed ET vehicle with bodies. They have sightings occurring all over the world, in other words, the ETs are no longer skulking in the background, they are now flying around where people can see them, sighting reports are coming in. It’s exploding. And – what do they do? They made a decision that somehow they had to contain this while they tried to understand what they were facing, what kind of tech did they have in their hands, what could they do with that, and also try to figure out, where was Stalin going to go? How bad was this going to get? I’m not going to debate that.
And so they institution – they began to institutionalize a truth embargo, using all of the tools available to them – which the American people provided in abundance, without question – to defeat the Soviet threat. And it turns out that all of these tools – the secrecy, the classified programs, intelligence surveillance, propaganda departments, psy-op departments, whatever, all of those – while quite applicable to the kind of cold war, the kind of war that developed, a cold war, a war of intelligence, they all applied to the management of the ET issue in the public’s mind.
And so, throughout the next 65 years, but particularly the next 44 years, from ’47 on, you had two trains running down the tracks of history. One was the engagement of the Soviet Union in a – what we called a cold war, and the other, with the engagement of the ET issue. One of those trains was quite out in the open and well followed. The other train was essentially hidden, but it was there. And they moved forward in parallel.
This changes when the cold war ends, and the fundamental barrier to finally acknowledge the ET presence is lifted. And we are now in the twenty-first year of the post-cold war era. And so that is the framework for what we are doing and why we are doing it.
Now, to answer your question, in a very simple way, all right? A very simple way…
GD: Yeah. Which isn’t easy to do. [laugh]
SB: The acknowledgement of the extraterrestrial presence will be the most profound event in human history. It will be essentially the…I guess you could say the ritual coming out of the human race into the larger universe, which means a galactic – group of galactic civilizations, coming out in the sense that we now are possibly in a position to formally be engaged, formally, openly be engaged, thus opening up the galaxy to us, in a sense, right? Certainly our ability to travel there, but not in our own ships, though maybe we even have those.
It completely alters our perspectives about who we are, where we came from, the nature of life, certainly the value of our environment, and on and on and on. And that’s before we get into the potential technological innovations that occur if ET tech could be brought forward to be used to address our problems, or if we get access to ET tech through collaborative engagement.
GD: [inaudible]
SB: Right now the human race has pretty much pushed its – well, let me put it this way. There was a famous book that came out about 30 years ago called The Peter Principle, and The Peter Principle is this: that people are constantly getting promoted until finally they reach their level of incompetence. They finally get promoted into a job that they can’t do, and then they fail. And it’s really kind of sad, in a way.
Well, let’s just say that the human race has reached the limits of its competence, particularly the male portion of the human race. Our ideology, our thinking, is not sufficient to deal with where we have now put ourselves. We have taxed the planet to the limit; we have populated the planet with humans to the limit; we have pressed the human condition to the limit; we have created complex scenarios, massive weapons systems, biotechnology, bio-warfare systems, and there’s any number of things that could wreak untold havoc against us, not the least of which is the collapse of our own environment. All of this we’ve managed to do in a hundred years, though we’ve been working at it for ten thousand.
GD: Yeah.
SB: There is no way out of this. In other words, there is no way the 21st century can be prevented from being an absolute nightmare, a Dantean Inferno, an awful spectacle, without significant, major technological innovations. There are purists out there that think if everyone will simply leave the cities and go live in the woods, grow a little garden and not do anything significant, to de-tax the environment and keep to themselves, that this’ll all work out.
Well, I’m sorry, but they’re living in a complete and utter delusion. Unless something comes along and kills off four or five billion people without significantly damaging the infrastructure, the 21st century is on a fast track to hell.
So, Disclosure may be the single most important event, strategy, decision that the human race could make, to take that into – to take the 21st century in a completely different direction. And thousands of books will be written about how that could happen, what kind of directions were available, what we did about it, and so forth. That’s the answer to that extremely difficult question.
GD: Well, I appreciate…
SB: And I hope…
GD: …you tackling that. It is a challenging …
SB: It’s my job.
GD: …one, and especially [ ? ]! [laughs] It’s a challenging one to address within the short period of time we had. You did a great job speaking to the history, the incentives behind – the possible incentives behind what decisions were made around the ET presence, and bringing us to date, and…. You’re right, we are on a trajectory, the Earth, and we need some help. And there’s plenty of evidence out there to, one, confirm there is an ET presence, and two, that they are here to help.
They have technologies and resources to help. They’re not here to take over the world. They come in peace, peaceful beings. And they want us to become part of a larger, evolved galactic community. Is that how you would capture that as well?
SB: Not exactly. I’m aware of these sentiments. And they’re not inappropriate, in the sense that everyone has to go, to the extent that they can examine the vast amount of evidence that we have and to the extent that they can sort through the pollution that the government has deliberately interjected into this issue over the decades in order to make it difficult if not impossible to come to clear conclusions. Not to mention the other damage, other barriers, that have been created by just regular citizens who, in the absence of formal understanding and a formal engagement, have simply come in and done whatever they wanted, sort of played around.
And thus there has been a lot of hoaxing, and there’s been a lot of bad science and a lot of bad theories. But that’s fine, that’s human nature, but nevertheless it’s not something you want if you’re trying to understand the nature of the world.
And so, given all that, people are trying as best they can to come up with rationales, explanations, and try to project into the future. I’m … I try as much as I can to not, how would you say, lock myself into any particular scenario. There are a number of models which I am attracted to, but they are, in my view, by no means certain.
What is certain is there is an extraterrestrial presence. What is certain is that we have the power to disclose that presence to people, the governments can at any time. Right?
GD: Um-hmm.
SB: What is certain is there has been contact with human beings by these extraterrestrials. And it’s not a formal, arranged deal. It is coercive, and while people may come to accept it and even invite it, by and large they weren’t sending engraved invitations up front, “We have this wonderful program we’re doing. We’d like you to participate. Send back,” you know, “your RSVP.” No, it’s all been pretty much a force majeure engagement of the human race, whatever the reasons.
And then it gets trickier. Because as you examine the vast amount of contactee reports, you start to see that it is not all cut and dried, that there is a…there are a number of threads through these reports that are consistent with each other, but not the same. Consistent, the threads are consistent, but they’re not consistent with other threads.
And so we have a very complex picture here. I invite people to try to hold to that. Now, if we had formal open contact with extraterrestrials, does that mean it’s possible there could be technology exchange or technology gifts? Of course. Right. Does that mean it’ll happen? No.
If we had a formal acknowledgement with extraterrestrials and it was learned that our government has been working and studying ET-derived technology, from whatever the source, for decades, could that technology be brought forward? Could it have use? Of course. Does that mean it’ll happen? Not necessarily.
Is it logical that – and basic problem [ ? ? ] we know, particularly from contact reports, that the ETs are profoundly advanced, not simply in propulsion systems and energy – and there’s evidence for that; there’s even more evidence the extraterrestrials are profoundly advanced in the understanding of life science, particularly genetics.
And given what we already know about genetics and life science now, and what we think we could be capable of doing, even well before this century is up, the assumption or the speculation that extraterrestrials probably could, if they so choose, or if they so choose to partner with us, that they could probably deal with most of the afflictions that face the human race right now, is not an unreasonable speculation. However, it is a speculation. So, the picture is not clear.
GD: [inaudible]
SB: But then you get down to the fundamental point, which is so far the government’s position is there’s nothing going on at all, there is no evidence at all, so there won’t be a Disclosure, there is no evidence, this is all a mass delusion on the part of hundreds of millions of people around the world. So I think from that position we’re not really going anywhere any time soon.
Meanwhile, of course, the problems the human race face are exponentially increasing. And so, it’s up to people whether that policy, given the circumstances we’re in, is justified, appropriate, productive and in some cases even legal.
GD: Sure.
SB: And if the vast majority of people believe it’s fine with us, then nothing will happen. But if the vast majority believe otherwise and they take action, then in fact that policy will change. And the Disclosure movement is seeking that circumstance, which brings us back to the petition.
GD: [inaudible] …opportunity to…sure. And I’d like to give you an opportunity to discuss that before we wrap up here. I think it’s important to talk about the opportunities that we have, and there’s a lot of information out there. And as you know, some of it is disinformation, some of it is to generate confusion and fear in terms of what can the extraterrestrials help us with, why are they here, what is their motivation…
SB: Right.
GD: …what is the agenda. And I think much of it, time will tell. Right? And in my research, I’ve come across some real encouraging information that we have an opportunity to partner with them, and they’re concerned about, as you pointed out, we haven’t been taking care of the Earth, they’re concerned about that. We’re part of a galactic family of other planets, and the Earth is a significant part of that. They have technology to assist us. They have models that we can consider and adopt – not forced upon us, but they can assist us.
And that’s – that’s something I find very encouraging, and I’m seeing more and more information around that. And I think time will tell. And it’s good to get your perspective, and it’s certainly good to have a discussion around this.
Let’s talk about the Disclosure petition number two. Because I know you’ve put a lot of work into that, and it’s part of the next phase of your strategy in terms of engaging the White House further.
SB: I don’t – I’m going to give the short version of this, this time around – we’re down to about 20 minutes. But there are – there are links to the necessary materials and documents and everything else that people can find, and they can find it all at Some of those links are in the site, some are embedded in the petition itself. But – and I’m trying to get better at this, because I have to be able to describe this in fewer and fewer words and fewer and fewer minutes in order to continue to engage the more – and the media [ ? ].
GD: It’s tricky! [laughs]
SB: It is. Yeah, it’s not easy. It’s not easy to discuss complex things in the modern media, and that’s why less and less complex things are discussed, and more and more uninteresting things are discussed, which is another reason why societally we are declining, we’re going down.
GD: Well, it’s challenging, the fact [ ? ? ? ] sound bites.
SB: Yeah, and we’re trying to live in sound bites, and it doesn’t work, it’ll fail. And so either we get back to rhetoric, logic, extended analysis, or we fail as a society. I mean…and history, I assure you, doesn’t give a damn. History has seen so many societies fail in the last 11,000 years, one more isn’t going to bother it at all. It may bother us, but history is not going to care. The Earth’s not going to care either, by the way.
So, what’s going on here is this. This petition process has allowed the Paradigm Research Group to reinsert a very significant story from the 20th century back into play in front of the mainstream media, the political media, the political power 19 years after it took place. That event was the Rockefeller Initiative, which was a two-and-a-half-year effort by Laurance Rockefeller to persuade President Clinton to release all of the UFO files in government hands except those that clearly risk national security, and to grant amnesty to members of the military intelligence services that would like to come forward and present evidence or information about events and evidence they’ve encountered, and also re-institute investigative – open investigative processes. At that time, it would have been 23 years after the shutdown of Project Bluebook.
He did it because the cold war was over and it was possible. Had George H.W. Bush won the presidency, he would have approached him. As it was, Bill Clinton won, and he approached him. However, there was a bit of a twist, because had – while H.W. Bush would have been, and was viewed with great regard by the military intelligence community, Bill Clinton was not. He was completely disdained. And so he was not the president that they would have chosen or wanted to be at the centre of this major event and major political decision.
And so, while Rockefeller approached him, there were substantial forces within the government across the board that opposed going forward on this. And so one of the great untold stories, political stories of the 20th century is the connection between Rockefeller’s approach of March the 29th of 1993, and its role, partial role, in the almost unprecedented, broad-scale attacks on the presidency, and the president, and his wife, and his family, and his cat and his dog and his friends, that never relented until he left office, eight years later.
There is – it is not a casual connection. Though the story has not been written, and I’m not aware of any authors or serious investigators looking into it, but one day it may come out. But this massive assault on the presidency, all of the efforts to bring him down, through travel-gate and porkbelly-gate and whitewater-gate and trooper-gate, and on and on and on, pretty much eliminated the likelihood that he could dare act on Rockefeller’s effort.
Though things were done… He did react in a number of ways, and most of the public don’t even know about this. Most of the public don’t even know that the Rockefeller Initiative ever happened, because the press didn’t cover it. It was off limits, and they know that. You can’t go there. So it went on for two and a half years, but it wasn’t covered, which is all anyone ever needs to know, really, about the reality of an institutional truth embargo on this issue.
So it lasted for two and a half years, reports were written, studies were made, meetings were held in Wyoming at Rockefeller’s ranch, and on and on and on and on, there were a lot of people involved. Some of those people are extremely powerful individuals, both in history and in the current administration, which is why this issue was, from the beginning perhaps, the Achille’s heel of the truth embargo and why, should it ever be covered, the truth embargo could well collapse. All right?
Now, I’m not going to be able to on at length on that, but let me just very quickly describe the people involved – and I think most of the listeners will figure it out without a whole lot of cogitation. The people who knew about the Rockefeller Initiative and/or were engaged in it included:
President Clinton, right, who of course is still a major player in the world, and is advising nations and corporations around the world about how to conduct their affairs. He may be actually critical to the re-election of Obama.
His wife, Hillary Clinton, who wanted to run for President and almost became President and is now our Secretary of State.
Dr. John Gibbons, the head of the Office of Science and Technology Policy, who shortly after that retired and has led a relatively private life, so he is not part of the petition.
Advisor John Podesta, Clinton’s advisor John Podesta who went on to become his chief of staff in the second term. He went on to call for the release of all UFO files twice at the National Press Club, after he left or the Clinton Administration ended; went on to become the chairman of Obama’s transition team and helped pick Obama’s government, and was the most frequent visitor to the White House in the first 90 days of the Obama Administration.
Clinton’s friend Webster Hubbell, who was appointed Associate Attorney General, and went on to reveal in his memoir Friends in High Places that Clinton asked him to look into the UFO issues, at Justice and elsewhere.
Vice President Al Gore, who went on to run for President and came within a few votes of being President; now goes around the world advising nations and corporations on how to conduct their affairs.
Leon Panetta, who was the chief of staff to Clinton during the Rockefeller Initiative, who went on to become the Director of Obama’s CIA and is now the Secretary of Defense.
Friend of Clinton’s and Congressman Bill Richardson, during that period, who went on to become Clinton’s Secretary of Energy, was tapped to be the Secretary of Commerce under Obama, then ran for President, and until recently was the governor of New Mexico.
Other people that were – referred to or tapped into the – or connected in one way or another to the Rockefeller Initiative included former Secretary of Defense Melvin Laird; then-Senator Claiborne Pell; then-Senator Patty Murray;…
GD: It’s a big list.
SB: …Secretary of Air Force Sheila Widnall and New Mexico Congressman Stephan Schiff.
I think people are starting to get the picture here.
GD: Yeah.
SB: Understand, all the people I’ve just named understand the issue involved. And now, keep reminding yourself, the press never covered this. It was not allowed to be considered news.
Now, on the private sector, the principals involved included:
Billionaire friend of the Clintons and son of John D. Rockefller, Laurance Rockefeller, now dead.
His attorney Henry Diamond, still alive.
The head of his human potential foundation, former army intelligence officer, Dr. C. B. Scott Jones, now a peace activist, still alive.

And Scott Jones’ right hand person and first lieutenant Richard Farley, still alive.
And the researchers who were involved over the two and a half years in this initiative included Don Berliner and Tony Onais; Richard Tolle, now dead; Robert Keats; Linda Moulton Howe; Colin Andrews; Karl Flock; and Dr. John Mack, deceased; Dr. Leo Sprinkle; Dr. Steven Greer; Dr. Bruce Macabee; Dr. Jacques Vallee.
Again, I think most people listening to this see that this is a very, very big deal. And the reason that this did not go away in spite of the lack of press coverage, the reason that we can now insert it back into the public scene, in front of the media, in front of the world, on the White House website, is because of the critical work of a Canadian researcher by the name of Grant Cameron who started developing back in 2000 a website called It is the largest compilation in the world of information connecting US presidents to this, to the phenomena, to UFO [?] phenomena.
And the Clinton section is extremely important, because that section has the narratives that describe in much greater detail the Rockefeller Initiative. And in trying to create that section, Grant filed a freedom of information act request of the Office of Science and Technology policy, in 2000, and for whatever reason, to I think his surprise and mine, he got back a thousand pages of documents confirming it all, virtually without redaction.
One day we may find out whether this was intentional, whether it was a mistake, and how this happened, but it happened. Because most people don’t understand, the FOIA law is a joke, it’s a sham. Yeah. Here’s how it works. The government would rather just keep everything, not tell us anything. However, they did set up a law that if you want to go to the trouble to file an FOIA, then, okay, you can get some documents – as long as they want to give them to you.
But if they don’t want to give them to you, you don’t get it. It’s essentially a sham. The FOIA law only has served deep investigations of government activities and abuses of power when somebody accidentally releases a document, or somebody in the inside acting as a whistleblower sticks the document out when they shouldn’t have.
And this is just one of the many illusions and delusions that the public has been immersed in for the last 60 years which has helped to take us where we are today. The only thing worse than, say, not having freedom is the illusion that you have it when you don’t. The only thing worse than having a child that is in deep trouble is having the illusion that your child is doing just fine when the child is in deep trouble. And I think most of your listeners understand this.
And so, those documents confirm the Rockefeller Initiative. And I immediately got a copy from Grant, made several copies of those, including all of the FOIA cover pages, and delivered them by hand to the Washington Post, who wanted nothing to do with them. Same for the Washington Times.
GD: [inaudible]
SB: And so what happened is that Grant put up his narratives, and then I put up on Paradigm Research Group site a Rockefeller Initiative section, in which 173 of the key documents are there in chronological order, to be read by any member of the press, it’d take them about 50 minutes, maybe an hour. Plus other materials that completely take them into the Rockefeller Initiative. I made it as easy as I could. And over the last nine years, both Grant and I have put out a number of press releases, and also some open letters to various officials in which these links were prominently displayed – they’ve been up for years! The press wanted nothing to do with them.
And so the Rockefeller Initiative remained essentially in the background, until now. This initiative on the White House has allowed us to bring it back to life. And because of the nature and the people involved, and because it’s now a main – it’s in a mainstream location, on the White House website, the press, in 2012, might very well do what they didn’t do in 1993 to 1996, and that is do their job. Ask the right questions of the right people, and not settle for ludicrous, simple-minded or non-responses. So, –
GD: And this – this – this petition zeroes right in on this Rockefeller Initiative?
SB: Oh, yeah. Let me read it. I think, I think everyone will get it pretty quickly. This is the petition that’s on the White House website since February the 23rd at 4 pm. It will remain there until at least midnight on February – on March the 24th, while we try to get the 25,000 signatures. If we get the 25,000 signatures, it will remain up until – well, it will remain up indefinitely, along with the response from the White House we expect to come sometime in mid- to late April.
I’ll read it slowly, so that the listeners, given the background information they’ve jus received, can maybe grok why this could be a breakthrough opportunity, assuming they’re willing to take the couple of minutes it takes to sign the petition at, or go to, where they can see the direct link to the petition. Go there, open an account, get the verification link, get the password, sign in, [ ? ] the petition.
Here it is:
“We petition the Obama Administration to immediately investigate UFO ET disclosure efforts during the Clinton Administration, the Rockefeller Initiative. Disclosure Petition 2, the Rockefeller Initiative. The Obama Administration has formally stated the US Government has no evidence that any life exists outside our planet, or that any extraterrestrial presence has contacted or engaged any member of the human race.
“If true, what was Clinton’s Office of Science and Technology Policy investigating from March of 1993 to October of 1996, in concert with billionaire Clinton friend Laurance Rockefeller?
“Those who knew, and have not spoken publicly of this initiative, include President Bill Clinton, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, Obama Transition Chairman John Podesta, Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta, Vice President Al Gore, and Governor Bill Richardson.
“Confirming documents…” and then they’re followed by two links, one to the Clinton narrative at, and the other to the Rockefeller Initiative section and the 173 posted documents, the Clinton Narrative, posted documents at, where anybody with half a brain can pretty much figure this out in half an hour.
That’s what’s sitting up on the White House website right now. That is what can be read by anyone in the world right now, including members of the military, the intelligence community, political journalists in any country, American citizens, even the President himself.
I think perhaps now your listeners are starting to see what we have here. These names are connected to the ET issue on the White House website now. And if we get 25,000 signatures, the White House is going to have to respond to this request to investigate this initiative. More importantly, members of the press may ask some of these individuals – who are actually public servants, most of them, and are being paid with taxpayers’ money, three of which ran for President, one was the president – questions about this issue, which has enormous security implications. And I can assure you, they don’t want to have to answer those questions. And so that’s the opportunity –
GD: Well, we’re experiencing –
SB: – that’s the situation..
GD: Right. Right. Like, or, we’re definitely – we’re definitely experiencing some interesting times, for sure.
SB: Oh, yeah.
GD: And this Disclosure petition is timely, it’s important, and we certainly appreciate all your work to get the word out there. And, you’ve been doing this for a good 16 years now, and you said earlier that you’ve seen increased media coverage of this. There’s definitely been some increased reporting of UFO sightings.
Are you – do you think, from your perspective, having been in this so long, that the level of awareness around ETs has increased quite a bit?
SB: The level of awareness in the industrialized world is nearly 100 percent. If you go up to a hundred people, and ask them who the vice president is, according to what I’ve read, about 40 of them will be able to tell you. This is random people in the street.
If you go up to 100 people and ask them, “Do you know what a UFO is?” 99 or 100 of them will be able to tell you. If you ask them what “extraterrestrial” means, they will tell you. So we have 100 percent saturation in the industrialized world, and it’s very much – it’s also extremely high in the non-industrialized world. It’s global.
So the awareness is there. The movies and the documentaries are pouring out. The books are being written. And a number of governments, at least a dozen, have been releasing tens of thousands of UFO files since 2005. The United States is standing pat right now. Like the Catholic Church, it’s sticking it out, hoping I don’t know what. But it can’t win. And I believe that, if we stay with it, and if there isn’t an invasion of Iran this year, or no one sets off a dirty bomb or a nuclear bomb in a western city, or a Middle Eastern city, for that matter, or if we don’t have a bio-attack, we should get Disclosure this year.
And if we do, it may be that enough people will see the world in a sufficiently different way that we may not have those events take place. We may be able to avoid…
GD: How do you think it’s going to happen, this Disclosure?
SB: As it’s defined, it is the formal acknowledgement of the ET presence by a world government, so it’s got 00 at least one government’s got to come forward and acknowledge it. Once one does, I assure you the rest will follow very quickly. So it’ll happen because a government is going to go before its people and acknowledge it, probably, and provide a little evidence, just to drive the point home. And that’s it, we have Disclosure.
The most likely nation is the US, but increasingly that is changing. And there’s a number of other nations that may choose to go first. If they do, then…
GD: Well, all right, and –
SB: …that’s that.
GD: Yeah. Interesting times indeed. And I really appreciate your perspective and your work and the discussion, and I want to thank you, Steve Basset, thank you very much for coming on the show tonight. And I know I join many listeners in thanking you for yo0ur important work.
So, sign the petition folks, it only takes a few minutes. I was on the website a couple of weeks ago, and the website is, and this is also on our Blogtalkradio site, for tonight’s show –
SB: And that’s the information site now, Graham. You have to go from there through direct link to the petition, because the petition resides at the White House website.
GD: Good point. Good point. Well, thank you very much for coming on the show tonight, and…appreciate all your work.
SB: You’re welcome.

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