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As France and Belgium move to expand state power in
the aftermath of the Paris attacks, top U.S. officials have renewed a push to
defend mass surveillance and dismiss those who challenge it. On
Wednesday, FBIDirector James Comey said intelligence and law enforcement
officials need to have access to encrypted information on smartphones, despite
no evidence that the Paris attackers used encryption. Meanwhile, others have
used the Paris attacks to criticize NSAwhistleblower Edward Snowden. In
recent days, CIADirector John Brennan has suggested revelations about mass
spying have made it harder to find terrorists, while
former CIA Director James Woolsey has said Snowden has blood on his
hands. "We have not heard such blatant, shameless lying from intelligence
and military officials since 2002 and 2003 when they propagandized the country
into invading Iraq based on utterly false pretenses," says The Intercept’s
Glenn Greenwald, the Pulitzer-winning journalist who exposedNSA mass
surveillance based on Snowden’s leaks. "It is actually shocking
to listen to."
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NERMEEN SHAIKH: French authorities say the alleged mastermind
behind last week’s Paris attacks has been killed. Abdelhamid Abaaoud, a Belgian
national, is said to have died in Wednesday’s police raid on an apartment in
the Paris suburb of Saint-Denis. The operation sparked an intense shootout and
one other death—a female suicide bomber who detonated an explosive vest. Police
say they confirmed Abaaoud’s death through forensic tests on his remains. The
news comes as Belgian police conduct raids across Brussels in the hunt for
Paris attack suspects. Belgium says the raids are targeting people who may be
connected to Bilal Hadfi, one of the alleged suicide bombers involved in
Friday’s attack on France’s national stadium.
As the manhunts unfold, the governments of France and
Belgium are each pushing a major expansion of state power in the attacks’
aftermath. French lawmakers have begun debating President François Hollande’s
proposal to extend the state of emergency by three months. Hollande is also
seeking the authority to allow police raids without a warrant and to strip
citizenship from dual passport holders convicted of terrorism.
AMY GOODMAN: And in Belgium, Prime Minister Charles Michel
has asked Parliament to approve a sweeping security bill that would double the
antiterrorism budget, expand wiretaps, triple the allowed detention time
without charge to 72 hours, and grant authorities the power to shut down
mosques that preach messages deemed by the government to be hate speech.
Here in the U.S., top officials have seized on the
Paris attacks to defend mass surveillance and to dismiss those who challenge
it. Speaking at a cybersecurity conference Wednesday, FBI Director
James Comey said intelligence and law enforcement officials need to have access
to encrypted information on smartphones.
JAMES COMEY: Nearly all the information we need to be
effective sits on the private sector’s infrastructure, which is a great thing.
It’s a wonderful thing that the Internet is in private hands in the United
State. The expertise resides within the private sector. So if we’re going to be
good at what we do, we have to cooperate better. In the absence of effective
cooperation, we are left in law enforcement like police officers patrolling a
street with 50-foot-high walls on either side.
AMY GOODMAN: Comey’s comments come despite no apparent
evidence that the Paris attackers used encryption. Meanwhile, others have used
the Paris attacks to criticize NSA whistleblower Edward Snowden. In recent
days, CIA Director John Brennan has suggested revelations about mass
spying have made it harder to find terrorists, while
former CIA Director James Woolsey has said Snowden, quote, "has
blood on his hands."
For more, we’re joined by Glenn Greenwald, Pulitzer
Prize-winning journalist, co-founder of The Intercept, lead
journalist who exposed NSA mass surveillance based on Edward
Snowden’s leaks.
Let’s start, Glenn—and it’s great to have you with us
from Brazil—let’s start with how we know what we know took place in Paris, the
media coverage of the horrific attacks of Friday the 13th.
GLENN GREENWALD: [inaudible] that we don’t know, including much
of which the media has simply tacitly assumed in order to mindlessly propagate
what the CIAand other agencies in the U.S. government want people to
believe. For instance, one thing we do not know at all is how the people who
perpetrated the attack actually communicated with one another. We don’t know
whether they used the Internet at all, as opposed to simply meeting face to
face, given that some of them were siblings and others of them were from the
same neighborhoods in Belgium and France. We definitely don’t know whether they
used encryption. And we really don’t even know the extent to which they
actually took direction from or received funding or arms from ISIS in
Syria.