An Interview with Finnish Journalist Antti J. Ronkainen
By Michael
Hudson and Antti J. Ronkainen
Global Research, February 18, 2016
Unz Review 11 January 2016
Antti J. Ronkainen: The Federal Reserve is the most significant
central bank in the world. How does it contribute to the domestic policy of the
United States?
Michael Hudson
Michael Hudson
Michael Hudson: The Federal Reserve supports the status quo. It
would not want to create a crisis before the election. Today it is part of the
Democratic Party’s re-election campaign, and its job is to serve Hillary
Clinton’s campaign contributors on Wall Street. It is trying to spur recovery
by resuming its Bubble Economy subsidy for Wall Street, not by supporting the
industrial economy. What the economy needs is a debt writedown, not more debt
leveraging such as Quantitative Easing has aimed to promote. But the Fed is in
a state of denial that the U.S. and European economies are plagued by debt
deflation.
The Fed uses only one policy: influencing interest
rates by creating bank reserves at low give-away charges. It enables banks too
make easy gains simply by borrowing from it and leaving the money on deposit to
earn interest (which has been paid since the 2008 crisis to help subsidize the
banks, mainly the largest ones). The effect is to fund the asset markets –
bonds, stocks and real estate – not the economy at large. Banks also are heavy
arbitrage players in foreign exchange markets. But this doesn’t help the
economy recover, any more than the ZIRP (Zero Interest-Rate Policy) since 2001
has done for Japan. Financial markets are the liabilities side of the economy’s
balance sheet, not the asset side.
The last thing either U.S. party wants is for the
election to focus on this policy failure. The Fed, Treasury and Justice
Department will be just as pro-Wall Street under Hillary. There would be no
prosecutions of bank fraud, there would be another bank-friendly Attorney
General, and a willingness to subsidize banks now that the Dodd-Frank bank
reform has been diluted from what it originally promised to be.
Antti J. Ronkainen: So let’s go back to beginning. When the Great Financial Crisis escalated in 2008 the Fed’s response was to lower its main interest rate to nearly zero. Why?
The aim of lowering interest rates was to provide
banks with cheap credit. The pretense was that banks might lend to help the
economy get going again. But the Fed’s idea was simply to re-inflate the Bubble
Economy. It aimed at restoring the value of the mortgages that banks had in
their loan portfolios. The hope was that easy credit would spur new mortgage
lending to bid housing prices back up – as if this would help the economy
rather than simply raising the price of home ownership.
But banks weren’t going to make mortgage loans to a
housing market that already was over-lent. Instead, homeowners had to start
paying down the mortgages they had taken out. Banks also reduced their
credit-card exposure by a few hundred billion dollars. So instead of receiving
new credit, the economy was saddled with having to repay debts.
Banks did make money, but not by lending into the
“real” production and consumption economy. They mainly engaged in arbitrage and
speculation, and lending to hedge funds and companies to buy their own stocks
yielding higher dividend returns than the low interest rates that were
available.
Antti J. Ronkainen: In addition to the near zero interest rates, the Fed bought US Treasury bonds and mortgage backed securities (MBS) with almost $4 trillion during three rounds of Quantitative Easing stimulus. How have these measures affected the real economy and financial markets?
In 2008 the Federal Reserve had a choice: It could
save the economy, or it could save the banks. It might have used a fraction of
what became the vast QE credit – for example $1 trillion – to pay off the bad
mortgages and write them down. That would have helped save the economy from
debt deflation. Instead, the Fed simply wanted to re-inflate the bubble, to
save banks from having to suffer losses on their junk mortgages and other bad
loans.
Keeping these debts on the books, in full, let banks
foreclose on defaulting homeowners. This intensified the debt-deflation,
pushing the economy into its present post-2008 depression. The debt overhead is
keeping it depressed.
One therefore can speak of a financial war waged by
Wall Street against the economy. The Fed is a major weapon in this war. Its
constituency is Wall Street. Like the Justice and Treasury Departments, it has
been captured and taken hostage.
Federal Reserve chairwoman Janet Yellen’s husband,
George Akerlof, has written a good article about looting and fraud as ways to
make money. But instead of saying that looting and fraud are bad, the Fed has
refused to regulate or move against such activities. It evidently recognizes
that looting and fraud are what Wall Street is all about – or at least that the
financial system would come crashing down if an attempt were made to clean it
up!
So neither the Fed nor the Justice Department or other
U.S. Government agencies has sanctioned or arrested a single banker for the
trillions of dollars of financial fraud. Just the opposite: The big banks where
the fraud was concentrated have been made even larger and more dominant. The
effect has been to drive out of business the smaller banks not so involved in
derivative bets and other speculation.
The bottom line is that banks made much more by
getting Alan Greenspan and the Clinton-Bush Treasury officials to deregulate
fraud than they could have made by traditional safe lending. But their gains
have increased the economy’s overhead.
Antti J. Ronkainen: Do you believe Mike Whitney’s argument that QE was about a tradeoff between the Fed and the government: the Fed pumped the new bubble and saved the banks that the government didn’t need to bail out more banks. The government’s role was to impose austerity so that inflation and employment didn’t rise – which would have forced the Fed to raise interest rates, ending its QE program?
source:
That was a great chart that Mike put up from Richard
Koo, and you should reproduce it here. It shows that the Fed’s enormous credit
creation had zero effect on raising commodity prices or wages. But stock market
prices doubled in just six years, 2008-15, and bond prices rose to new peaks.
Banks left much of the QE credit on deposit with the Fed, earning an interest
giveaway premium.
(Richard Koo: “The struggle between markets and
central banks has only just begun,”
The important point is that the Fed (backed by the
Obama Administration) refused to use this $4 trillion to revive the
production-and-consumption economy. It claimed that such a policy would be
“inflationary,” by which it meant raising employment and wage levels. The Fed
thus accepted the neoliberal junk economics proposing austerity as the answer
to any problem – austerity for the industrial economy, not the Fed’s own Wall
Street constituency.
Antti J. Ronkainen: According to a Fed staff report, QE would lower the exchange rate of dollar to the other currencies causing competitiveness boost for the U.S. firms. Former finance minister of Brazil Guido Mantega, as well as the chairman of Central Bank of India Raghuram Rajan, have described the Fed’s QE as a “currency war.” What’s your take?
The Fed’s aim was simply to provide banks with
low-interest credit. Banks lent to hedge funds to buy securities or make
financial bets that yielded more than 0.1 percent. They also lent to companies
to buy their own stock, and to corporate raiders for debt-financed mergers and acquisitions.
But banks didn’t lend to the economy at large, because it already was “loaned
up,” and indeed, overburdened with debt.
Lower interest rates did spur the “carry trade,” as
they had done in Japan after 1990. Banks and hedge funds bought foreign bonds
paying higher rates. The dollar drifted down as bank arbitrageurs could borrow
from the Fed at 0.1 percent to lend to Brazil at 9 percent. Buying these
foreign bonds pushed up foreign exchange rates against the dollar. That was a
side effect of the Fed’s attempt to help Wall Street make financial gains. It
simply didn’t give much consideration to how its QE flooding the global economy
with surplus dollars would affect U.S. exports – or foreign countries.
Exchange rate shifts don’t affect export trends as
much as textbook models claim. U.S. arms exports to the Near East, and many
technology exports are non-competitive. However, a looming problem for most
countries is what may happen when ending QE increases the dollar’s exchange
rate. If U.S. interest rates go back up, the dollar will strengthen. That would
increase the cost to foreign countries of paying dollar-denominated debts.
Countries that borrowed all dollars at low interest will need to pay more in
their own currencies to service these debts. Imagine what would happen if the
Federal Reserve let interest rates rise back to a normal level of 4 or 5
percent. The soaring dollar would push debtor economies toward depression on
capital account much more than it would help their exports on trade account.
Antti J. Ronkainen: You have said that QE is fracturing the global economy. What do you mean by that?
Part of the flood of dollar credit is used to buy
shares of foreign companies yielding 15 to 20 percent, and foreign bonds. These
dollars are turned over to foreign central banks for domestic currency. But
central banks are only able to use these dollars to buy U.S. Treasury
securities, yielding about 1 percent. When the People’s Bank of China buys U.S.
Treasury bonds, it’s financing America’s dual budget and balance-of-payment
deficits, both of which stem largely from military encirclement of Eurasia –
while letting U.S. investors and the U.S. economy get a free ride.
Instead of buying U.S. Treasury securities, China
would prefer to buy American companies, just like U.S. investors are buying
Chinese industry. But America’s government won’t permit China even to buy gas
station companies. The result is a double standard. Americans feel insecure
having Chinese ownership in their companies. It is the same attitude that was
directed against Japan in the late 1980s.
I wrote about this financial warfare and America’s
free lunch via the dollar standard in Super Imperialism (2002)
and The Bubble and Beyond (2012), and about how today’s New
Cold War is being waged financially in Killing the Host (2015).
Antti J. Ronkainen: The Democrats loudly criticized the Bush administration’s $700 billion TARP-program, but backed the Fed’s QE purchases worth of almost $4 trillion during the Obama administration. How does this relate to the fact that officially, QE purchases were intended to support economic recovery?
I think you’ve got the history wrong. My Killing
the Host describes how the Democrats supported TARP, while the
Republican Congress opposed it on populist grounds. Republican Treasury
Secretary Hank Paulson offered to use some of the money to aid over-indebted
homeowners, but President-elect Obama blocked that – and then appointed Tim
Geithner as Treasury Secretary. FDIC head Sheila Bair and by SIGTARP head Neil
Barofsky have written good books about Geithner’s support for Wall Street (and
especially for Citigroup and Goldman Sachs) against the interests of the
economy at large.
If you are going to serve Wall Street – your major
campaign contributors – you are going to need a cover story pretending that
this will help the economy. Politicians start with “Column A”: their agenda to
reimburse their campaign contributors – Wall Street and other special
interests. Their public relations team and speechwriters then draw up “Column
B”: what public voters want. To get votes, a rhetorical cover story is crafted.
I describe this in my forthcoming J is for Junk Economics, to be
published in March. It’s a dictionary of Orwellian doublethink, political and
economic euphemisms to turn the vocabulary around and mean the opposite of what
actually is meant.
Antti J. Ronkainen: How do TARP and QE relate to the Federal Reserve’s mandate about price stability?
There are two sets of prices: asset prices and
commodity prices and wages. By “price stability” the Fed means keeping wages
and commodity prices down. Calling depressed wage levels “price stability”
diverts attention from the phenomenon of debt deflation – and also from the
asset-price inflation that has increased the advantages of the One Percent over
the 99 Percent. From 1980 to the present, the Fed has inflated the largest bond
rally in history as a result of driving down interest rates from 20 percent in
1980 to nearly zero today, as you have noted.
Chicago School monetarism ignores asset prices. It
pretends that when you increase the money supply, this increases consumer
prices, commodity prices and wages proportionally. But that’s not what happens.
When banks created credit (money), they don’t lend much to people to buy goods
and services or for companies to make capital investments to employ more
workers. They lend money mainly to transfer ownership of assets already in
place. About 80 percent of bank loans are mortgages, and the rest are largely
for stocks and bond purchases, including corporate takeovers and stock buybacks
or debt-leveraged purchases. The effect is to bid up asset prices, while
loading down the economy with debt in the process. This pushes up the
break-even cost of doing business, while imposing debt deflation on the economy
at large.
Wall Street isn’t so interested in exploiting wage
labour by hiring it to produce goods for sale, as was the case under industrial
capitalism in its heyday. It makes its gains by riding the wave of asset
inflation. Banks also gain by making labour pay more interest, fees and
penalties on mortgages, and for student loans, credit cards and auto loans.
That’s the postindustrial financial mode of exploiting labor and the overall
economy. The Fed’s QE program increases the price at which stocks, bonds and
real estate exchange for labour, and also promotes debt leverage throughout the
economy.
Antti J. Ronkainen: Why don’t economists distinguish between asset-price and commodity price inflation?
The economics curriculum has been turned into an
exercise for students to pretend that a hypothetical parallel universe exists
in which the rentier classes are job creators, necessary to
help economies recover. The reality is that financial modes of getting rich by
debt leveraging creates a Bubble Economy – a Ponzi scheme leading to austerity
and shrinking markets, which always ends in a convulsion of bankruptcy.
The explanation for why this is not central to today’s
economic theory is that the discipline has been captured by this neoliberal
tunnel vision that overlooks the financial sector’s maneuvering to make quick
trading profits in stocks, bonds, mortgages and derivatives, not to take the
time and effort to develop long-term markets. Rentiers seek to
throw a cloak of invisibility around how they make money. They know that if
economists don’t measure their wealth and the public does not see it, voters
will be less likely to bring pressure to regulate and tax it.
Today’s central economic problem is that inflating
asset prices by debt leveraging extracts more interest and financial charges.
When the resulting debt deflation ends up hollowing out the economy, creditors
try to blame labour, or government spending (except for bailouts and QE to help
Wall Street). It is as if debtors are exploiting their creditors.
Antti J. Ronkainen: If there is a new class war, what is the current growth model?
It’s an austerity model, as you can see from the
eurozone and from the neoliberal consensus that cites Latvia as a success story
rather than a disaster leading to de-industrialization and emigration. In real
democracies, if economies polarize like they are doing today, you would expect
the 99 Percent to fight back by electing representatives to enact progressive
taxation, regulate finance and monopolies, and make public investment to raise
wages and living standards. In the 19th century this drive led parliaments
to rewrite the tax rules to fall more on landlords and monopolists.
Industrial capitalism plowed profits back into new
means of production to expand the economy. But today’s rentier model
is based on austerity and privatization. The main way the financial sector
always has obtained wealth has been by privatizing it from the public domain by
insider dealing and indebting governments.
The ultimate financial business plan also is to lend
with an eye to end up with the debtor’s property, from governments to companies
and families. In Greece the European Central Bank, European Commission and IMF
demanded that if the nation’s elected representatives did not sell off the
nation’s ports, land, islands, roads, schools, sewer systems, water systems,
television stations and even museums to reimburse the dreaded austerity troika
for its bailout of bondholders and bankers, the country would be isolated from
Europe and faced with a crash. That forced Greece to capitulate.
What seems at first glance to be democracy has been
hijacked by politicians who accept the financial class war ideology that the
way for an economy to get rich is by austerity. That means lowering wages,
unemployment, and dismantling government by turning the public domain over to
the financial sector.
By supporting the banking sector even in its predatory
and outright fraudulent behavior, U.S. and European governments are reversing
the trajectory along which 19th-century progressive industrial capitalism and
socialism were moving. Today’s rentier class is not concerned
with long-term tangible investment to earn profits by hiring workers to produce
goods. Under finance capitalism, an emerging financial over-class makes money
by stripping income and assets from economies driven deeper into debt.
Attacking “big government” when it is democratic, the wealthy are all in favor
of government when it is oligarchic and serves their interests by rolling back
the past two centuries of democratic reforms.
Antti J. Ronkainen: Does the Fed realize global turbulences what its unconventional policies have caused?
Sure. But the Fed has painted itself in a corner: If
it raises interest rates, this will cause the stock and bond markets to go
down. That would reverse the debt leveraging that has kept these markets up.
Higher interest rates also would bankrupt Third World debtors, which will not
be able to pay their dollar debts if dollars become more expensive in their
currencies.
But if the Fed keeps interest rates low, pension funds
and insurance companies will have difficulty making the paper gains that their
plans imagined could continue exponentially ad infinitum. So
whatever it does, it will destabilize the global economy.
Antti J. Ronkainen: China’s stock market has crashed, western markets are very volatile, and George Soros has said that the current financial environment reminds him of the 2008 crash. Should we be worried?
News reports make it sound as if debt-ridden
capitalist economies will face collapse if the socialist countries don’t rescue
them from their shrinking domestic markets. I think Soros means that the
current financial environment is fragile and highly debt-leveraged, with heavy
losses on bad loans, junk bonds and derivatives about to be recognized.
Regulators may permit banks to “extend and pretend” that bad loans will turn
good someday. But it is clear that most government reports and central bankers
are whistling in the dark. Changes in any direction may pull down derivatives.
That will cause a break in the chain of payments when losers can’t pay. The
break may spread and this time public opinion is more organized against
2008-type bailouts.
The moral is that debts that can’t be paid, won’t be.
The question is, how won’t they be paid? By writing down
debts, or by foreclosures and distress sell-offs turning the financial class
into a ruling oligarchy? That is the political fight being waged today – and as
Warren Buffet has said, his billionaire class is winning it.
Antti J. Ronkainen: That’s all for now. Thank you Michael!
The original source of this article is Unz Review
Copyright © Michael
Hudson and Antti J. Ronkainen, Unz Review, 2016
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