Noam
Chomsky interviewed by C.J. Polychroniou
C.J.
Polychroniou: The rise of ISIS (also known as Daesh or ISIL) is a direct
consequence of the US invasion and occupation of Iraq and represents today, by
far, the most brutal and dangerous terrorist organization we have seen in
recent memory. It also appears that its tentacles have reached beyond the
“black holes” created by the United States in Syria, Libya, Iraq and
Afghanistan and have now taken hold inside Europe, a fact acknowledged recently
by German Chancellor Angela Merkel. In fact, it has been estimated that attacks
organized or inspired by ISIS have taken place every 48 hours in cities outside
the above-mentioned countries since early June 2016. Why have countries like
Germany and France become the targets of ISIS?
Noam
Chomsky: I think we have to be
cautious in interpreting ISIS claims of responsibility for terrorist attacks.
Take the worst of the recent ones, in Nice. It was discussed by Akbar Ahmed,
one of the most careful and discerning analysts of radical Islam. He concludes
from the available evidence that the perpetrator, Mohamed Lahouaiej Bouhlel,
was probably “not a devout Muslim. He had a criminal record, drank alcohol, ate
pork, did drugs, did not fast, pray or regularly attend a mosque and was not
religious in any way. He was cruel to his wife, who left him. This is not what
many Muslims would typically consider reflective of their faith, particularly
those who consider themselves religiously devout.” ISIS did (belatedly) “take
credit” for the attack, as they routinely do, whatever the facts, but Ahmed
regards the claim as highly dubious in this case. On this and similar attacks,
he concludes that “the reality is that while ISIS may influence these Muslims
in a general way, their animus is coming from their position as unwanted
immigrants in Europe, especially in France, where they are still not treated
French, even if they are born there. The community as a whole has a
disproportionate population of unemployed youth with poor education and housing
and is constantly the butt of cultural humiliation. It is not an integrated
community, barring some honorable exceptions. From it come the young men like
Lahouaiej Bouhlel. The pattern of [the] petty criminal may be observed in the
other recent terrorist attacks in Europe, including those in Paris and
Brussels.”